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Old May 26, 2008, 02:33 AM // 02:33   #41
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From someone with a Spider platform, I can recommend the K9A2 Platinum V2. excellent board, full support, 8GB of RAM, and QuadFire...
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Old May 26, 2008, 05:30 AM // 05:30   #42
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oh and blackhearted you can get the uninstaller to only uninstall the video driver select this when deinstalling : only deinstall the following (should be an option oh and never ever install the nvidia network manager what ever you do don't do that or the ide drivers both are a hassle to deinstall and a hassle overall (network manager corrupting downloads, slowing down the network and the list goes on)

and the 16X.XX series of nvidia drivers don't have too big bugs with gw however i remember that 166.XX caused problems with trees and alot off the things displayed in the distance the only good 16X.XX driver that worked for me was a custom 169.21 one where sli worked liked it should on Dual 7800gt's (frame rates maxed at 80 (about the same now with the newer drivers, but with the older ones i topped at 55 fps vsync off btw btw that was @ 1680x1050 if you wonder which resolution i use )

And it's told that the G8/9 series have troubles cause of a certain reason namely hardware lightning not rendered well in UT2K4 by those cards there is a temp fix for it and that's disabling HW TnL (hardware transform and lightning) off

offtopic: Oh serafita you got too much money? :P
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Old May 26, 2008, 05:35 AM // 05:35   #43
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Old May 26, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15   #44
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oh and blackhearted you can get the uninstaller to only uninstall the video driver select this when deinstalling : only deinstall the following (should be an option oh and never ever install the nvidia network manager what ever you do don't do that or the ide drivers both are a hassle to deinstall and a hassle overall (network manager corrupting downloads, slowing down the network and the list goes on)
oh wow, i didn't know that. Last time i changed drivers it never showed me that menu with those choices. Which was why i thought i couldn't do it without killing my mobo drivers too. And now for some reason it does. Odd.


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And it's told that the G8/9 series have troubles cause of a certain reason namely hardware lightning not rendered well in UT2K4 by those cards there is a temp fix for it and that's disabling HW TnL (hardware transform and lightning) off
Yea, that's one sort of "fix" but it's not an acceptable one. Turning off HW T&L drops most of the rendering load from the GPU to the CPU, which in turn hits your fps significantly. For example: a dm map with 250fps becomes no more than ~60 at best. I wouldn't want to see how that would hit big maps like assault or onslaught.
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Old May 26, 2008, 07:17 AM // 07:17   #45
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oh wow, i didn't know that. Last time i changed drivers it never showed me that menu with those choices. Which was why i thought i couldn't do it without killing my mobo drivers too. And now for some reason it does. Odd.
Yeah, I thought I'd be a genius and hit ''Remove All'', huge facepalm.

Came back to find everything messed up, no internet, sound, bah.. then I had to dig up the Mobo CD again. I'll be sure to not do that again.
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Old May 26, 2008, 11:14 AM // 11:14   #46
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That isn't true.
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Moriz is waiting for the 4870
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Thus, it would be pointless to get a 90nm (NINETY!!) based fab at this point.
Last I checked the AM2 6400 was a 65nm process.

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That is so wasteful, is an energy hog, and would bottleneck the new PCIe 2.0 based 4870's.
It's actually less wastefull than running a Phenom X3 or X4 and If CPU bottlenecking is a concern then there is no point in buying an AMD CPU at all. My initial recomendation was the 45nm E8400 Wolfdale which would blow the doors off of 2 of anything AMD has ever made while using less electricity.

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PS: I don't need to read articles on Tom's. Anandtech is a better site anyways
Your right, Anandtech is a way better site, still I read all the relevent information available. The Tom's comparison is an apples to apples type(same chipset across a range of processors) and the only one I've seen to date. As such it's the best guideline for judging the impact of CPU performance vs. GPU performance.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match, just stating the facts as I see them.
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Old May 26, 2008, 11:20 AM // 11:20   #47
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Moriz, I guess you're SOL on the 780g board barring a trip to Kingston.

I urge you to reconsider the Intel system. It's only a little more expensive than the 780g+6400 system and a whole lot faster(and energy efficient in case you're feeling green).

Aside from the CPU and Mobo the rest of the components are compatible. You'd just need a cheapie vid card to get you by until the 4870 is available.
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Old May 26, 2008, 11:22 AM // 11:22   #48
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Last I checked the AM2 6400 was a 65nm process.
Nope. You musta read the wrong model.



Only the Brisbane cores in the Athlon 64 x2 series are 65nm.
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Old May 26, 2008, 11:29 AM // 11:29   #49
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I stand corrected

EDIT: It stings to be wrong but I suddenly feel much better about my Opty 180 ^^
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Old May 26, 2008, 12:43 PM // 12:43   #50
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believe me, i'm seriously considering the intel option with a cheapie card, especially since i can get a gem like this one: http://www.factorydirect.ca/catalog/...p?pcode=AT1650

i'll have to get it shipped to the ottawa location though, since it's sold out there. let's hope factory direct allows that.
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Old May 26, 2008, 01:31 PM // 13:31   #51
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Should you go Intel NCIX has some good prices on DFI Mobos.

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=DFI

Compatible with 45nm CPU (E8400) boots but doesn't identify CPU properly until bios upgrade.

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=DFI

Lanparty!!! that's the stuff extreme game systems are made of. Supports 45nm out of the box. Upgrade bios for VTT voltage control.

Should you decide to overclock an E8400 either of these boards will rock your socks.

I'd go with the Lanparty
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Old May 26, 2008, 02:00 PM // 14:00   #52
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harddrive: http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=HD-ST3500320AS $79.99
memory: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...597&CatId=2368 64.99
motherboard: http://www.ncix.com/products/index.p...anufacture=DFI $115.91
CPU: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...?EdpNo=3574211 $243.99
powersupply: http://www.pccyber.com/?v=product&i=PS-ANTEC-EA500 $88
case: http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/showProduct.php?id=2897 $69
DVD drive: http://www.everbest.on.ca/ver2/showProduct.php?id=2503 $31
video card: http://www.factorydirect.ca/catalog/...p?pcode=AT1650 $49.99

total: $742.87
after tax: $839.44

still under budget.

there's also the E7200 processor that has caught my eye. according to this website: http://techgage.com/article/intel_co...et_superstar/9 , the processor performs almost identical to the E8400 in game benchmarks. it's also at least $70 cheaper, which is nice.
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looks good. The only thing I have to add is that for a small fee NCIX will flash your BIOS for you upon request. I recomend this to avoid any potential problems.

EDIT: The Lanparty(2nd link) don't need a bios flash for 45nm compatibility but it is $34 more.

EDIT: I'd go for the E8400 http://techgage.com/article/intel_co...fdale_arrives/

Great chassis BTW.

I'm envious.
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Old May 26, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23   #54
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$2 surcharge on credit card payment? That company living in the dark ages, or is it a Canadian thing?
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Old May 26, 2008, 03:31 PM // 15:31   #55
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having been to the store (everbest that is), i can safely say that they DO live in the dark ages. that store has got to be the most dimly-lit store that i've ever been too
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Old May 26, 2008, 06:37 PM // 18:37   #56
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Poor AMD, I feel sry for them.
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If I'm not mistaken, only the Phenoms and newer are 65nm. AMD doesn't have a dual-core 65nm chip.
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If I'm not mistaken, only the Phenoms and newer are 65nm. AMD doesn't have a dual-core 65nm chip.
Yes, they do. The highest end dual core chips they have, however, are 90nm. Their midrange to low end offerings of dual and single core chips are 65nm. AMD is going to be making a huge architectural change in the very very near future. Keep your eyes glued on them, I mostly certainly am.

Oh btw, for for the E8400. The 45nm technology allows for some really nasty playroom for Overlocking, even for a beginner. Not only that, but it runs cooler (meaning it should last longer if all other variables are in line), and it uses significantly less power.
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i know. apparently, the E8400 can be overclocked up to 4GHz, which is pretty insane.

i'm pretty much settled on the E7200 right now. its performance is comparable to the E8400 in games. if not, it's a simple matter of overclocking this thing up to 3GHz. and of course, it's much cheaper.
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i know. apparently, the E8400 can be overclocked up to 4GHz, which is pretty insane.

i'm pretty much settled on the E7200 right now. its performance is comparable to the E8400 in games. if not, it's a simple matter of overclocking this thing up to 3GHz. and of course, it's much cheaper.
I say, the price difference is worth the 45nm jump. But... that is just my fab engineer geek side talking, so whatever suits your budget. I will say though, that the 45nm technology is absolutely amazing.

EDIT: I just realized I am an idiot. I was thinking of a different model... the 7200 should be 45nm, it was on the die shrink lineup. Umm, I guess get it. The only real differences are the FSB (1066 on E7200 vs 1333 on e8400) and their L2 Cache (which will hurt performance in some games) as well as virtualization technology (e7200 lacks it, but that shouldn't effect you), and base clockspeeds (3.0 vs 2.5ish?) So yeh, gotta weigh out the differences. Personally, I would go with the e8400, but it really is up to you.
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